Dark Chisme

Dark Chisme, the recording name for Christine and Erik, visit with the Void to discuss how their enchanting dark-pop gets made, what matters to them, the political nature of music, and what's filling their time.


Featured Songs:
Dark Chisme - Yo Puedo Vivin Sin Ti


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Transcript

Hello again and welcome to Void Signal, I'm Brian Prime and this episode is a chat with Erik and Christine of Dark Chisme. Dark Chisme is a Latin spiced genre blending band that's part darkwave, maybe post-punk, or dark synthpop, if you like. It's haunting, hypnotic, and intimate. It's got an energy to it that we receive directly into our ear holes, it's drama and storytelling with a sexy beat. It's about identity, and longing, and being human. Pulsing synths, dance tempos, and rich vocals, Dark Chisme is a breath of fresh air. Be captivated.
You can catch Dark Chisme live at Glomfest this Fall. Which, speaking of Glomfest, this episode is sponsored by Glomfest. It's a traveling festival tour hitting the west coast this fall with bands like The Royal Ritual, The Awakening, and Aeon Sable. You can visit glomfest.com to find more information and a date near you, that's glom, g l o m, fest.com. My thanks to David, Vara, and everyone at Glomfest. 
This episode is also made possible by listeners like you, and Becky. My gratitude as always to the patrons who help make void signal possible. Visit voidsignal.net or patreon.com/voidsignal to help support the void signal project. Every little bit helps. 
Okay, our time is at an end. Don't just be a spectator. Until next time, stay safe, and stay loud.


Dark Chisme
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Brian Prime: [00:00:00] we'll go ahead and get started if you guys are both ready.

welcome to Void Signal. I'm your host, Brian Prime. I am joined, for this episode, by Christine and Eric. I got those names correct, didn't I? Okay. Wonderful. thank you both, so much. you both, perform and record together as, dark cheese May, and you're on the upcoming Gloom Fest.

And, I've been listening to your music and the run up to the show. And, I am, quite enamored with what you're doing. I love the blending of styles and sort of, reminds me at times of things like, priest or Ashbury Heights but with like this great dark edge to it.

And, I'm love what you're both doing and I'm really excited to, to see you guys, live when the time comes. anyway, how are you both doing? 

Christine: we're doing great. We're just kind of chilling, just kind of prepping for like our tour that's coming up. One's like a mini one, one's an East coast tour with, glass bells, and then of course glow and some other festivals are playing.

They're kind, [00:01:00] you know, just trying to prep for that. 

Erik: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, definitely. been doing some writing too. we just released a song so that that's been. I like occupying a lot of our time, so. 

Brian Prime: Gotcha. awesome. Well, I wanted to just kind of put the question to you both of, what, what led you to this path and, this, how did you wind up becoming this thing that you are making now?

Christine: Yeah. I think mostly, like we've both been in bands before. I think just kind of like years before, I took kind of like a, a break from joining band. So like, I started like in a black metal band where I was, playing drums, but then also doing like, you know, metal vocals, like high and low. Then went into like a synth pop.

Band and always just kind of interested in just like different styles of music, but just mostly [00:02:00] singing, drumming, things like that. And so I guess I started, I picked a BJ in Chicago and so it was a great way for me to be in multiple scenes. 'cause I was very like inspired by house music, Chicago house music specifically.

And how to kind of blend. Dark wave and house music nights in the eighties in Chicago. So I was always like I admired that. I picked up DJing, then chatted with Eric after, being involved in music zines and art in general and was like, I wanna make music again.

I don't know why, but I just feel like I want, I wanna get back into it. And I love dark wave. I love post punk. I wanted an outlet, I guess. And so Eric was like, all right, let's do it. Let's make it happen. So we just, yeah. 

Erik: And I kind of had always wanted an excuse to learn how to play synthesizers.

I played bass for a long time, but I hadn't made music in years and mostly had just been illustrating. And so [00:03:00] when Christine came to me with this, it was kind of like a, you know, that'd be cool. I've always kind of been interested in, you know, wanting to learn how to play that and. so we started writing music and yeah.

I think we started with just like two songs and performed it at a DJ gig and, went from there. I got some, good reviews from, just that show and we just kept going. 

Brian Prime: And it does seem to, I like the blend, that you have kind of going on with, styles and genre as well as, sort of Latin influences it gives it this dynamic, that feels very layered and, human. And that's the thing that sort of, attracted me to what you both have ended up making together is how very natural it feels in how it comes together. I was going to also ask, with that in mind what do you see this turning into, or what would you like it to turn into and, what kind of themes are maybe inspiring, the next stages of your evolution for this thing? 

Christine: Yeah. I guess I'll go, I [00:04:00] wanna continue kind of like the style route that we're trying to achieve.

It's just, you know, incorporating like my love for house techno, dark wave, new wave. I do want us to get a bit more darker, and so we have some plans for that. some tracks that are, much softer, more maybe like. in a post-punk realm, but just kind of really digging into some post-punk roots, but then also making sure that we keep high energy, because I honestly like performing high energy songs and that might be because of the black metal background of just having energy and running around the stage and head banging and things like that.

So I gravitate towards like that kind of sound. But we definitely wanna. Kind of have more darker beats. We've talked about like sampling from, our record collection a certain, you know, beats or notes and or, you know, remixes, things like that. So, yeah, I guess I would say it, to sum it all up, is just [00:05:00] like really cool sampling.

trying to make our own kind of like noises, like that sound pretty organic that you wouldn't get from like a synth. And then just like darker. notes. 

Brian Prime: Yeah. Gotcha. And Eric, do you agree? 

Erik: Yes. I mean, yeah, that's, that's totally the direction that we want to go. Yeah. It's, more, more instruments too. I think.

You know, a lot of the first album was written with a mix of analog and digital instruments, and I think we found that we really enjoyed. The sounds and how natural it sounded to add, more analog instruments. And so we're looking at things like guitar and percussion and things like that, 

Brian Prime: I'm so excited to see you guys at, GLO Fest. I was hoping to catch, DJing at Mechanisms when I was there, in Seattle. This. Past month, but, didn't work out. But, really excited to catch you performing live, in LA and [00:06:00] in San Francisco.

so, you kind of mentioned that a little bit near the beginning of getting ready for that and preparing for it. what, can you tell me a little bit just about getting involved in GLM Fest and, how it ended up working out? 

Erik: So when we did, Terminus last year, there was an after party and I think I just ended up talking to some folks that are involved with the Fest, kind of unknowingly.

and you know, we had a great conversation. It was really like, awesome to meet them and just chat with them and. and they had caught our set, I think, earlier that day or the day before. And, so then, yeah, it was kind of one of those things just, connected at a festival and, they reached out and, it sounded like a really cool idea for a festival.

I mean, bringing people from, different parts of the world together for shows up along the West Coast, it's a really cool idea we're hitting completely different locations each time, which is really cool. And then being able to spend time with people and play with people that you're normally not gonna be able to play with.

Brian Prime: Mm-hmm. Yeah, [00:07:00] definitely. that's the exciting part, I think. And everybody there has been, really cool and really excited for it. it's infectious, I would say. ever since getting involved myself and finding out about it, it's you know, a lot of excitement around it.

is there anyone, in particular that you. Are excited to maybe catch, or have you had a chance to check out who you'll be playing with 

Erik: Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty excited to see The Awakening. I've been listening to some of their stuff to me, I think that's what I'm most excited about. 

Christine: Yeah. I think for me too, it's like, the Awakening, it's a solid lineup. I'm also pretty excited for Vancouver with Urban Heat. So that sounds good. I know it's been announced, so I don't think it's something Weirdest secrets.

Yeah. so that's pretty exciting. I think we've, I've DJ'ed for twin tribes in Urban Heat before, but not performed, so that's pretty cool, to like be able to have the band. But yeah, I think the whole lineup is really good. I think it all compliments each other.

And it's always good to be back in like California. you [00:08:00] know, San Francisco, la I mean even Portland and, Vancouver. we always have a big heart for, because those four places seem to really support us Pretty heavily. And so it's really awesome to just, go back and, receive that support.

Brian Prime: Sure. Yeah. Absolutely. And, yeah, it does, seem like, you guys are, on a path, in that regard of like, you know, going back to places that you came from. it does seem that, you're charting, a course for this. I just want to compliment that, like this project does seem like it has a vision behind it and, yeah, well done.

anyway, next question. so when it comes to writing your lyrics, and deciding what to put into English and wanting to put into Spanish, how, what's the process there? Like how do you decide, like is there an emotion tied to one or, what's your process for making that decision?

Christine: Yeah. I do a lot of the writing and I kind of just like ping [00:09:00] pong what Eric to say, Hey. at times I have to be like, does this make sense? Because I come from a bilingual background, there'll be times, I'm trying to describe something, but it won't come out the way I'm thinking about it, like in Spanish my upbringing is pretty different, living in a place that is speaking both languages.

So I tend to like jumble words sometimes. mm-hmm. So, like, my thinking is it's that way. I'll sing a song and a lot of what I like to sing about is, just stuff that I've been through, stuff that I'm still going through, that sometimes seems to never end.

some of the words just come out. stronger for me to express in Spanish than it. Would be in English. that's kind of how I determine it, and then it just feels like it flows. Sometimes I try to translate it in English and for some reason it just doesn't hit for me in terms of how I wanna sing it.

and so I think I've talked about this before, but like, I'm very inspired by, you know, mariachi singers. a lot of, Latin singers, and how they kind of just, sing out loud with a lot of soul [00:10:00] and, just very in that moment. And so I think that's where it kind of comes from.

It's just, if I'm gonna sing this, certain kind of, range or emotion? Range. Then if it sounds better in Spanish, I'm gonna pick it to be Spanish, because it just feels like it. Describes what I'm really trying to portray in that moment.

Erik: There's also some phrases that you sing in Spanish that in English, 

Christine: yeah, it just doesn't hit, 

Erik: yeah. 

Christine: for me it doesn't hit so yeah, if I'm singing it and it doesn't hit, then I don't feel comfortable. But, you know, I might hit differently for somebody if it was translated in English differently, right?

Mm-hmm. but I also wanna be able to express my roots, I've always. Loved music like that. I'm huge into like a ta disco post-punk from different countries. I might not know anything what they're saying, but I usually look it up, but like in German or Portuguese and I think it's really beautiful for people to do that bilingual, interpretation of like, you know, what they're trying to express I [00:11:00] think like really hits with me.

So I was like. I think that was kind of helping with the encouragement of doing that because before I didn't feel confident, but then being able to listen to other artists that I admire that do that I think helped. 

Brian Prime: Yeah. it is refreshing, I must say, because it, I've had no problem with listening to music and languages.

I don't know, plenty in my life. Like, who cares? music is music and the story behind it, or the emotion behind it will still carry through to a certain extent, right? Like if it's crafted well enough, So that's never been a barrier for me, but I do find it's very, refreshing, especially in a scene that, you know, our little scene is mostly, a lot of English.

I do think it adds like an interesting dynamic of culture and I'm a big fan of that. I'm a sucker for it. I don't know if you can tell by all the gushing and praise, I'm heaving on the both of you, so with that, we're just gonna change gears here [00:12:00] completely. 

So, the only thing I would 

Christine: say though is yeah, I think it's pretty rad when we are performing and there are people who don't speak Spanish who are singing the words, like, that's pretty rad. But anyway, that's not all I wanna add there. I think it kicks butt to see people learning, willing to learn a different language and get into the emotion even though they might not know in that moment or they practice it and they're very proud of it.

I think that's really cool. 

Brian Prime: Agree. and because it, like, and plus to be able to sing along like at a, concert or whatever, like, it takes an amount of courage, I think, and like an amount of love for a thing. so yeah, I think that's awesome. I know that, I have mispronounced the name of the band a bunch, and, my manager, a lovely Mexican woman, decided to politely inform me to stop sounding so dumb and pronounce it directly.

but she, told me that it meant dark gossip and I was like, what an interesting name. [00:13:00] why that name? What made you choose that? 

Christine: Well, I already kind of had that name for my DJ name. I've had several names, like DJ No Girl, which was like this comic book of a girl brain. I forget what it was, but, it was also just kind of like a sly on like.

You know, back when I was kind of DJing, there was like no women DJing. So whenever I would be put into a mix, or like this DJ group, so to speak, I was only as the only, woman. And so that was my knot. But then it started, the name started evolving. it became cat claw. But then, then I was like, this makes no sense because I just like, cats don't wanna be cat clawed doesn't sound like me.

When I was DJing Chicago for a long time, I moved to Seattle trying to start over, in terms of like DJing and things like that. And as I started getting some popularity in Seattle, which took a long time, it wasn't easy. I started [00:14:00] hearing kind of gossip here and there of like, who is she?

She just moved from Chicago, she's not from Seattle. All these kind of things that I felt were at the time making me feel down about myself. And so I was like, you know what? My name is gonna be gold cheeseman, and that means like obviously I am doing something right if people are gossiping about me and don't know me.

So, and then it kind of evolved from there. And like I DJ a lot, in Seattle and some pretty big gigs, but I've also DJ'ed in LA and back in Chicago still. Mm-hmm. And so starting the band, I wanted to think of a different name, but I was like, what if this is like the alter ego, like the other side of me?

'cause a lot of people don't see the side. 'cause I'm DJing house music and you know, I've always wanted a DJ dark wave and things like that, but I never had that space for it. and so what about dark cheese? Man, you know, like I am all about dark humor. I'm all about. gossip and people expressing themselves because we're not all always [00:15:00] happy.

And so portraying this happiness, that to me is a little weird. I'm not saying that you can't be happy every day, I just think it's normal to express frustrations. as long, it's just not like trying to hurt someone or like, you know, make somebody feel less than I think it's. normal to, to express frustrations with someone or you know, you might not like somebody wearing tivas or something like that.

Like that's all just kind of silly. it's an opinion. And so, yeah, I guess long story short, that's kind of where dark cheese came from. just wanted to express that other side of me and then Sure. Gold cheese. Were already having recognition in Seattle. I think it helped. To have, you know, to stick with that because people were like, oh, she's doing a project.

And so they would, you know, check it out. And some people liked it, some people thought it was totally different. And so I was like, that's cool. 

Brian Prime: I do want to just follow up on that really quick. is that a thing that you have encountered much of, [00:16:00] of sort of, the, when I say the thing, I mean, 

Pushback and maybe racism, maybe sexism, maybe any of those things from, people that maybe you regarded as, peers or colleagues or however you want to, you know, contemporaries is maybe a better word. Mm-hmm. 

Christine: even with DJing, like definitely dealt with a lot of that. even when I was in metal bands, it was just like the first thing as the front woman just being judged that if I'm gonna be able to scream or growl, like a lot of the men that were at those shows and usually it was just always a lineup of dudes.

And so, while I felt good being part of that because I felt like maybe another. Woman or, you know, they, them like will see me and be like, I should start something. And so like, I do feel that's still prominent, especially like with our band right now too. while there's been like amazing women [00:17:00] and lgbtqia plus reaching out, I still think just in terms of like the industry is still very male dominant and while there's so many, a really great male.

You know, front men bands that I admire. I, I just would love to see it mixed up more like, you know, if you see a whole do lineup, maybe think it'd be great to have some women or LGBTQI plus, especially Bipoc in the mix. I mean, that's gonna make a fun show. 'cause sometimes I've seen a lineup where it's just the same thing throughout what is being booked.

I think that's kind of why I respect Glo. mm-hmm. Because I think they, they're paying attention to that and mm-hmm. So yeah, to your, to your question, it's just, I, I do see that still.

and especially with the Latinos or Bipoc in the goth community. While it's a very opening community, I do think there still needs to be things worked on because I can't tell you how [00:18:00] many times I've heard a backhanded comment or something very passive, in the community, and I think we need to embrace that.

the gossiping is for everybody, but we need to show it. We can't just say it. It needs to be seen. It needs to be heard. Yeah, I feel it needs to definitely be worked on, but I do think there's people who are, not part of the bipoc community per se, but they see it.

So, but we just need more people to, to be involved. 

Brian Prime: Yeah. agree. And I was not about to start, stop you from having a small rant. I, it's a thing I have to stop myself from doing on the show most of the time. but I mean, I, and I also feel that I. I've had, Christian Pet Key, from Cobb International, great guy.

but I had him on the show and like every time I run into him, even at a festival, like politics is the first thing that comes up. And it just, there is that sort of feeling. And I even sort of engaged one of my coworkers at work [00:19:00] today on politics a little bit. 

For just a moment. she's a, very smart, 23-year-old, and was like, I don't really, you know, involve myself in politics that much. I kind of don't care all that much about it. And I was like, I don't want to try and mansplain to anybody or act like somebody's dad, but I felt compelled to say, you know.

Maybe you should. This is a time that, yeah, I feel like most of us should, especially as a woman, especially as person of color, especially as, and not just you, but the people you love and surround yourself with your whole community. And I, felt the urge to make that outreach of like, you should care.

Like now is the time to care. 

Christine: Yeah, especially when it's human rights. It's like, how is that like a political thing to want something, for your, you know, communities for like, for everyone basically. And so, mm-hmm. we have the platform for it and we like, you know, I've always wanted to be seen and heard, and I always wanted to [00:20:00] see, like, I always got excited when I saw like, you know.

Awesome Bipoc singers, drummers and bands. You know, I remember seeing Kitty and there was like a person of color in a cool new metal band. if I wanna be seen and heard, I also want the community to feel that they can be seen and heard too, and then maybe spark that they can also start a band, or they can also start a project and feel that they have a community we always encourage people to ask us, like, how do we get here?

how can they do, what we're doing? And things like that. And I'm always open to talk about those things. Because I think it's important. So yeah, I do think it. We should get political. I mean music has always been a part of that. I mean I learned about politics and it's gonna sound silly 'cause I'm a big new metalhead, but from like system of a down when my family was just not really, aware, 

Of like the politics going around them 'cause they were so busy trying to survive. Like system of Madan taught me about politics. That like I [00:21:00] would question things. I always felt empathy for others, and so it's like. Bands like that, I feel open the doors for me to understand life and like the political climate a little bit more.

And so I think that's so important because at times when I felt lost and so yeah, it is political. It should be political. Like we should talk about these things. 

Erik: And you've mentioned Lincoln Park, the fact that they kept their stuff like not parental advisory and like accessible didn't curse 

Christine: on those two albums.

Erik: Yeah. This was so important to opening, Their message up to so many young people. And that was huge too. 

Christine: Especially me where like, I grew up in foster homes and group homes and so they wouldn't let me listen to certain music 'cause they labeled it bad. And you know, I was in a deep depression state, lots of really dark things.

And so they felt that the music will make me want to do things, you know, and so while they weren't understanding that the music was actually helping me. that I felt somebody I can connect with through the [00:22:00] lyrics and things like that. 

Erik: Something that this made me think of while we were talking was, I know that there's, sometimes lineups that are pretty homogenous, as you were kinda saying, but like, one of the things we found in the small, like dark web is a small scene and Seattle's a pretty small scene in and of itself.

So the best shows that we've played have been groups. that all share, the same amount of energy, I think. And that's been a really great way to sort of bridge those boundaries of what, genre boundaries or something like that. Like the best shows have just found people with the same sort of energy within their music and just energy within themselves and how they approach things.

Brian Prime: yeah, agree on all points. Music should god damn very well be political and, I applaud you for, mentioning where, what kind of turn do you onto it too? it can come from any source. like it can come from a thing you love that you want to know more about or get closer to, right?

we feel sort of inherently drawn [00:23:00] towards the things that we love. And if we end up learning through that, we learn that even harder, I feel, or we pay a little more closer attention to it. Okay. Well that was wonderful. I agree on all parts. so, aside from. the music.

I'm gonna go ahead and hit you both with the last question in the podcast 'cause I want to kinda keep it a little brief and easy to digest. But, what is something that you have been enjoying recently and your answer can be anything, just a book, a movie, a TV show, your dog, just what's something that you wake up and you are jazzed about?

Christine: Yeah, for me, With the band, it's just like being pumped to write more music because it's just been kind of cool how people have been connecting, like getting messages and people coming to shows saying like, I listen to your song. I've been going through this, and so for me, it's really cool to hear that, but then it's also just like, whoa, I'm connecting with somebody through this too, and they understand what I'm going through as [00:24:00] well.

So it's been kind of cool to do that. I've been picking up learning new since, but also trying to find time with friends and I, and that's been kind of cool. Challenging at the same time. Friends that are just like, you can feel yourself with and just be goofy and just trying to find that time and not. 

I love hustling and I love doing what I need to do, but making sure to find time to go to shows, to support other bands, and, to hang around with people who, you know, they don't have to be other artists or like, but just people you feel comfortable around and can have like a really silly time during a lot of.

You know, crap that's going on. 

Erik: Definitely still writing music. I think there's still so much to learn about, you know, the synthesizers that we have and just how to get the most out of 'em. But I've also been making a comic and I think about drawing a lot. so just, there's a lot of like visual topics that I don't know a lot about, so I'm trying to learn how to draw those things while also telling the narrative and it's.

Brian Prime: how long have you been drawing a comic book? [00:25:00] What is your comic book about? Oh, it's, I just have been making small zines and comics for a while. I have a press that I print graph comics for people around the US and Canada. And, they're just usually sci-fi, sci-fi things, some horror stuff.

Erik: just whatever. It's all, you know, just zines, self-published stuff. 

Brian Prime: yeah. Is it available to look at anywhere on the internet? 

Erik: Yeah. I have a lot of it on my Instagram, but the website is really easy press.

Brian Prime: That's where most of it's. Okay. Awesome. And, that's exciting. That's a cool thing that you do other than make music. what drew you to want to try your hand at making your own? 

Erik: honestly, I was playing music and then moved to Chicago, a long time ago and didn't know anyone else that made music at the time.

I went to a bookstore called Quimby's and didn't know that people made their own comics and the person that worked there. [00:26:00] Said, Hey, I'm having friends over, if you want to come over, just me, a random person to their house to draw with them. And that kind of kicked everything off. I just started, drawing and making comics with, with friends.

It was just a way to make friends and kind of build a community in a new place. 

Brian Prime: Now what? Wow. Okay. oh, oh, it's not a competition, but that was a pretty good answer.

yeah. so I always answer the question myself. not because I'm conceited, but it's a good p it's a good practice to just sort of, you know, talk about the things we enjoy in life. 'cause fuck, there's so much to not enjoy right now. but, we'll, I. Not go back onto a, any sort of political tangent or anything right now.

it's a shame that all of our lives have to be taking place, while the world's ending. That kind of sucks. Anyway. The thing I've been enjoying recently is actually, my new job. I got, a job working in the marketing department at my company and, it's dope to suddenly use the skill that I've [00:27:00] put the most time into and my writing and, the things I have to say and design and whatever dumb skills I have.

it's been so nice to use those things and feel useful and like applied, I guess. yeah. I'm assure that you both sort of feel that way. Very much so. With making music or drawing comic books 

Christine: and video games. Oh, yeah. I dip in and out working in video games, so I have a design background.

I don't talk about it much. Yeah. But I worked for like. You know, like Minecraft, bungee and Blizzard. So Nice. Just kind of my nerdy side. I, I play video games So if anybody wants to play Overwatch, Hit me up. Don't be weird, just please don't be weird and invite me to play.

Brian Prime: no, I don't spend nearly as much time playing video games as I used to. but man, I loved me some Overwatch back in the day. Marvel Rivals has been, was pretty fun. I put some hours into that and enjoyed myself as sort of a.

Overwatch alternative kind of a thing. yeah, no [00:28:00] video games are fantastic. I didn't know that you had, a design background. I mean, you did mention that you keep it on the down low. that's interesting. what drew you to that, if you don't mind my asking. 

Christine: right now I kind of do it to mix some extra moula.

Sure. but usually when we're designing posters and stuff like that, like Eric and I'll team up and I kind of become art director kind of so to speak. I used to design like black metal posters I would design our posters, I'm not gonna lie, they looked like shit, but they were cool at the time. Yeah. I just really liked designing for music advertisement and things like that. I've always just been into painting mixed media. Mm-hmm.

and I think it's, again, not to be emo, but just an escape from a lot of like. Things that was happening with my family. Mm-hmm. And then knowing that I can just do like digital kind of media. Yeah. like graphic design, branding, and now ui, ux. 'cause I like how design works with people. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, I don't know.

I, I guess I've just always been into like, [00:29:00] just art and all things like creative and wanted to design and designing for shows was like super fun at the time. 

Brian Prime: Yeah. Nice. That's really cool. Okay, well, we'll wrap it up here. You're both fabulously interesting people. and, just so happen to also come together and make fucking bangers.

thank you so much. Thank you so much for that. And, really excited to see you both at Glow Fest and, thanks for making this work and taking some time for, a chat with my goofy ass. I appreciate it very much. so, yeah, we'll go ahead and wrap here. thank you both so much. Yeah.

Awesome. 

Christine: Yeah. Thank you for having us. 

Brian Prime: Yeah, thanks for having us.